Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2000

Show us your boat mods!

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:47 am

Interesting that they list a J1939 version on their website but it doesn't list J1939 in the specs page:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/151680/pn/010-01307-11

Actually, it looks like a lot of the Chartplotters in this 7000 series have a J1939 ordering option.

Looking at the 7400-7600 manual, there are about 16 engine J1939 PGN sentences listed.
Rich
2005 - 3560
Unbelievable!
NH
ImRich
 
Posts: 988
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:06 pm
Location: NH USA

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby JNelson90 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:18 pm

I would suspect that you would need 2 J1939 inputs (2 MFDs) in order to keep the engine information separate. I believe that each engine has an independant J1939 network and if you bring both networks into one MFD then it would not see 2 engines - just data coming from both engines that would have the same host ID.

Good luck - the effort is well worth it to get the engine data on your displays.
Kindest regards, Jeff

2006 - Regal 3860 Hard Top
2009 - Yamaha Waverunner FX SHO
User avatar
JNelson90
 
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:39 am
Location: Chester, CT

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:38 pm

Or bring the two engines J1939 data lines into a switch. then you can choose to display the port or starboard engine as desired. You just can't watch them both at the same time.
Rich
2005 - 3560
Unbelievable!
NH
ImRich
 
Posts: 988
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:06 pm
Location: NH USA

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:46 pm

To tie the Port and Starboard Motors together i will use a Volvo Penta Master Slave Connector Part #3842398. I will attach 30' Cable from the Master Slave Connector Part #3887229 and run to the dash, connecting to the Nema J1939 powered Network.

Volvo is unable to provide spec sheets for either of these two cables/connectors.

See below from VP on the Master Slave connection...


From: Function VPA Customer Relations <vpa.customerrelations@volvo.com>
Date: January 5, 2017 at 3:00:13 PM EST
To: "" <>
Subject: RE: Volvo Case 7132576
Here is what I found, but the dealer can always call our tech support line if necessary.

If the master/slave cable (P/N 3842398) is properly
installed the port engine becomes the master and the starboard becomes the slave.
This can be seen on the scan tool as “Master/Slave Status”. The slave end of the cable has 5
wires in the female connector, the master end has 4 wires. Installing a master/slave cable
also enables communications between the two engines via CAN1. This communication
allows both engines to go into a derate status at the same time, if this function is enabled in
the ECM.
2008 - Regal 3760 Commodore
2017 AB 9.5AL Yamaha 15HP-ES - DINK
2003 - Boston Whaler Dauntless 220 - sold
1998 - Regal 2760 - sold
1988 - Baja 226ES - sold
1993 - Wellcraft 18CC - sold

Annapolis, MD
User avatar
rlynch03
 
Posts: 189
Joined: Sat May 14, 2016 8:53 pm

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:29 pm

If this is just a cable, perhaps someone can find or post a diagram of it, then it can be duplicated, or purchased and installed.

But of course, the ECMs need to support this master/slave functionality.
Rich
2005 - 3560
Unbelievable!
NH
ImRich
 
Posts: 988
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:06 pm
Location: NH USA

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:09 pm

But rememeber that the display device specifically states it can only display a single engine, and if you hook two or more it won't work correctly. Its the same thing that happens on the N2K network if the engine ID numbers get set to the same. The display will fight as to what its displaying because its being updated by two different sources with the same ID. The fix would be to use one of the Maretron J1939 adapters and install it into the N2K network. Then you could use both engines on the display. You would set the 2nd engine as ID1 instead of the ID0 that might be on the 1939 network.

Ideally you would want to use shielded twisted pair wire, the factory wire should already have this. I assume that the chartplotter has the terminating resistor built into the port. Normally they are around 100-120 ohms. The lines can't float high or you will have all sorts of strange issues. That is why on N2K network they have terminators at each end of the backbone. Also the engine will have the terminating resistor built in on that end.
Thanks, Chris

2012 - Regal 35 Sports Coupe - Twin VP 5.7GiCE-300-P - DP-SA - SOLD
2011 - Sea-Doo RXT260s - 1503HO Rotax 4TEC
2007 - Regal 3060 - Twin VP 5.0OSi - XDP - SOLD
2002 - Crownline 230BR VP 8.2GSiPEFS - DP-SM - SOLD
User avatar
Chris_in_Texas
2013 Regal Owners MULTIPLE Donator!
2013 Regal Owners MULTIPLE Donator!
 
Posts: 4395
Joined: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:56 pm
Location: Frisco, TX (DFW Area)

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:36 am

I know this is an older thread, but I recently looked at this device again:

http://www.yachtd.com/products/engine_gateway.html

It seems they sell for about $200:
https://www.ebay.com/i/272990891151?chn=ps

Does anyone have any experience with these? I did learn that my engines have MEFI-4B ECMs so I could use these.

I found this info that let's you know if you have MEFI-4, MEFI-4A or MEFI-4B ECMs.

You will need to look on the back of the ECM to read the number on the back label to know which version of the ECM you have. There will be an 8 digit #. The last 3 digits are as follows:
MEFI-4 = 494
MEFI-4A = 479 or 717 or 718
MEFI-4B = 052

Or full part numbers:
12569494 = MEFI-4
12575479 = MEFI-4a
88962717 = MEFI-4a
88962718 = MEFI-4a
12584052 = MEFI-4b

I'm pretty sure I'll need one of these adapters for each engine, but I wonder if the Volvo Master/Slave cable is an option?
Rich
2005 - 3560
Unbelievable!
NH
ImRich
 
Posts: 988
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:06 pm
Location: NH USA

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Ella28 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:27 pm

I have a 2013 28 Express with the VP 5.7 300hp motor and I bought the YachtD J1939 device but I have yet to get it to work. My Garmin 741XS sees the gateway in the settings as a connected NMEA2000 device but it is not getting any data from it. I have emailed back and forth with Alexander at YachtD and I have sent him pics, etc. I really want to get it working this season as I really want the fuel burn info which I miss having. YachtD did just come out with a new Volvo engine connector for non-EVC motors (mine...) which may solve the problem even though they swear it should work with what I have. I will update this thread soon with my success or failure!
2013 Regal 28 Express "Ella"
2007 Sea Ray 240 Sundeck (sold)
2001 Sea Ray 210 Sundeck (sold)
User avatar
Ella28
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:02 am
Location: Beacon Falls, CT

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby JNelson90 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:47 pm

How did you connect your gateways to your engines? This is the note I got from Volvo Penta on my engine connection: Good morning Mr. Nelson, thank you for contacting Volvo Penta Support. I have reviewed your inquiry and can provide some guidance. Essentially your vessel can support the J1939 protocol but with certain caveats. It is recommended that you do not utilize the Deutsche connector to facilitate the connection into your system because the Deutsche connector is the dedicated connection point for your Vodia Diagnostic tool. It is possible to tap into the Controller Area Network (CAN) through the Master Slave connector; Connector #8 pins 3 & 4. I have attached a copy of the Wiring Diagrams Manual to assist you in your installation.

I was successful in getting my J1939 engine data to my Raymarine MFD's using Maretron's gateways. Here are some notes from my install that may help.
Pin 1:
Shield / Drain wire (Comms shielded cable)
Bare wire (Comms shielded cable)
No connection at engine

Pin 2:
No connection

Pin 3:
Net-C (-Voltage / Common / Ground)
Green Wire (Comms shielded cable)
Engine connector #8 / Pin #6 / Black with Light Green Stripe

Pin 4:
Net-H (CAN High Side)
White Wire (Comms shielded cable)
Engine connector #8 / Pin #4 / Blue with Pink Stripe

Pin 5:
Net-L (CAN Low Side)
Blue Wire (Comms shielded cable)
Engine connector #8 / Pin #3 / Blue with White Stripe
Kindest regards, Jeff

2006 - Regal 3860 Hard Top
2009 - Yamaha Waverunner FX SHO
User avatar
JNelson90
 
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:39 am
Location: Chester, CT

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby britsurf » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:25 pm

Ella28: I have the same MFD chartplotter and same engine on my 28 Express.
I posted how I got it to work with the Gateway YDEG-04 device. I did have to do a firmware upgrade before it worked.
Here is the thread I posted, which has the diagrams and part numbers for everything you need.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11351&hilit=nmea2000

Let me know if you need any help troubleshooting - I'm happy to help.



/
britsurf
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:09 am

Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Ella28 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:09 pm

I cant beleive I missed your post! I am going to work on getting this going! Thanks for sharing!
2013 Regal 28 Express "Ella"
2007 Sea Ray 240 Sundeck (sold)
2001 Sea Ray 210 Sundeck (sold)
User avatar
Ella28
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:02 am
Location: Beacon Falls, CT

Previous

Return to Boat Modifications

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], Rpontual and 18 guests