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fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Kikaboo » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:36 pm

So upon spring commission of my Regal 32 we noticed one of the fireboy CO detectors beeping every 10 seconds when the batteries were connected. The EOL date stamped on the cover was Sep 2019. HOWEVER when popping the cover off the stamp on the circuit board read MFD Sep 2002, EOL Sep 2017. I know these have a 5 year shelf life but annoyed that on my boat that was built at the end of 2014 one CO detector was old, created back in 2012. Also annoying the date stamp on the cover was 2 years newer both for MDF and EOL date than the date on the CO itself.

So somehow, somewhere, someone stuck a cover on the CO detector with a date stamp 2 years newer than the co detector itself. That in turn was passed off a new back in late 2014 when my boat was built.

The 2nd CO detector has a MFD and EOL date inline the boat build date and the dates stamped on the cover match the dates on the co board.

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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:55 am

And that is a huge issue now when purchasing replacements. Who knows how long its been sitting on the shelf as well at the reseller. With date codes you always have to have fresh stuck. In the home side of things they are now going from date of first use, however the marine side doesn't do that, its from date of manufacture.

I would take that back to the dealer you purchased it from myself or let Regal know at least that they used "old stock" on your boat.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby xixp » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:25 pm

Not directly related but in my boat all the 3 sensors used to going off without aparent reason and the issue was determined as contamination at the Regal factory durig manufacturing so Regal replaced all 3 sensors under warranty.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby timp4411 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:31 am

The detector(s) will go off if the battery voltage gets too low as well.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby ImRich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:11 am

timp4411 wrote:The detector(s) will go off if the battery voltage gets too low as well.


This is true, and can be a good alert to a problem!

A year or two ago, I was walking past a boat on my dock and heard a beeping coming from inside the boat. I called the owner and let him know. Not knowing what was causing the beeping, I didn't want to let an alarm go unanswered.

Come to find out, a power surge had caused his AC power breakers to pop earlier in the week (there was a few strong thunderstorms in the area at the time). His house batteries only lasted so long trying to keep his refrigerator/freezer running. By the time I heard the alarm and got on board to inspect things for him, his house battery was very dead, and everything in the refrigerator had to be thrown out. His freezer had thawed and melted ice left a large puddle on the galley floor.

I reset the AC breakers and everthing started running again. Once the house battery charger started working again, the CO detector beeping stopped almost right away.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Kikaboo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:46 pm

timp4411 wrote:The detector(s) will go off if the battery voltage gets too low as well.


Thats was I suspected at first but verified it was not the case for me. I have two detectors. One works the other beeps every 10 seconds and will not reset. The green led also blinks (does not stay solid). This is consistent with how the detector functions once its past its expiration date and consistent with being many months past the EOL date.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Kikaboo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:49 pm

ImRich wrote:
timp4411 wrote:The detector(s) will go off if the battery voltage gets too low as well.


This is true, and can be a good alert to a problem!

A year or two ago, I was walking past a boat on my dock and heard a beeping coming from inside the boat. I called the owner and let him know. Not knowing what was causing the beeping, I didn't want to let an alarm go unanswered.

Come to find out, a power surge had caused his AC power breakers to pop earlier in the week (there was a few strong thunderstorms in the area at the time). His house batteries only lasted so long trying to keep his refrigerator/freezer running. By the time I heard the alarm and got on board to inspect things for him, his house battery was very dead, and everything in the refrigerator had to be thrown out. His freezer had thawed and melted ice left a large puddle on the galley floor.

I reset the AC breakers and everthing started running again. Once the house battery charger started working again, the CO detector beeping stopped almost right away.


Another reason I feel good about my remote boat monitor. If the batteries drop below a specified level ( I set) my wife and I will get a text to our phone indicating the low battery condition. This season I am also adding a shore power alert along with bulge pump runtimes alerts.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby timp4411 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:46 pm

I have a 2006 3860 with 3 CO2 detectors but none of them have a EOL date/Sticker.

But I know they really should be replaced. They are about $100 apiece, give or take.

The one in my fwd/master cabin looks different from the other two, I don't know why?

But the one in the main salon and aft cabin look the same as your pics.

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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby JNelson90 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:19 pm

Same with my 3860 - I have replaced the smaller ones because of beeping. I believe there was a sticker with the date on the circuit card inside of them.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:00 pm

They will stop working over time, the sensor becomes inoperative over time, while it will "test" ok it won't alarm at the correct levels anymore. The marine industry uses every 5 years, which started about 6 years ago the mandate came down. So anything older than that won't have EOL dates, it was just up to the user to replace them every 5 or so years. The home units are 10 years is what they use for the standard, and they have EOL timers in them now.

As a side note, as they technically aren't required in boats, but smoke detectors should be replaced every 8 or so years again because they loose sensitivity over time in the home. When was the last time yours were replaced? :mrgreen:
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby timp4411 » Fri May 04, 2018 12:06 pm

All of my CO detectors are original (2006) so I am going to replace all 3 of them.

Luckily, West Marine has a sale on the new replacement ($20 off) for $79.99.

$240 to potentially save our lives while sleeping with the genny running is insignificant.

I just placed my order and should receive them by next week.

I don't think it will be too hard to replace them. I read that the mounting Screw holes matched up.

It should be either 2,3 or 4 wires. One Positive, One negative, and possibly an interconnect wire pair (but I don't think they are interconnected).

I'll report back on how this project goes.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Kikaboo » Fri May 04, 2018 1:31 pm

timp4411 wrote:All of my CO detectors are original (2006) so I am going to replace all 3 of them.

Luckily, West Marine has a sale on the new replacement ($20 off) for $79.99.

$240 to potentially save our lives while sleeping with the genny running is insignificant.

I just placed my order and should receive them by next week.

I don't think it will be too hard to replace them. I read that the mounting Screw holes matched up.

It should be either 2,3 or 4 wires. One Positive, One negative, and possibly an interconnect wire pair (but I don't think they are interconnected).

I'll report back on how this project goes.


I replaced my EOL unit with the same one but new. I don’t have to worry about screw holes or wiring. Just popped out the old unit circuit board and popped in the new one.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby timp4411 » Tue May 29, 2018 10:04 am

Kikaboo wrote:
I replaced my EOL unit with the same one but new. I don’t have to worry about screw holes or wiring. Just popped out the old unit circuit board and popped in the new one.


I started to replace mine yesterday and was hoping for a quick swap out, but the new units do not have the small modular plug. I will have to cut the wires and use some crimp connectors in order to use the new models. As usual, no project is ever as easy as I think it will be.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby gofast24 » Thu May 31, 2018 10:48 am

FYI = ATL Local news reported two people died from CO poisoning while anchored near the "Three Sisters" islands on Lake Lanier! Apparently they were running there gen set over night while sleeping and the exhaust got into the cabin and no warning from the CO detectors! check your CO alarms (assume they have a "test" button) and assuming they are original get the model/manufacture of yours and replace them. I heard that CO detectors are only good for 5/10 years!
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Kikaboo » Thu May 31, 2018 10:58 am

gofast24 wrote:FYI = ATL Local news reported two people died from CO poisoning while anchored near the "Three Sisters" islands on Lake Lanier! Apparently they were running there gen set over night while sleeping and the exhaust got into the cabin and no warning from the CO detectors! check your CO alarms (assume they have a "test" button) and assuming they are original get the model/manufacture of yours and replace them. I heard that CO detectors are only good for 5/10 years!


I saw that story as well..sad. Even with 3 good detectors in my cabin, I am too nervous sleeping with our gen on overnight so I don't do it.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby LakeMich2760 » Thu May 31, 2018 12:29 pm

Any reason I couldn't use a battery powered home version on the boat? Something I can get from Lowes? We don't have a generator, but the two OEM ones are far gone and I'd like something just in-case.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby ImRich » Thu May 31, 2018 1:05 pm

I'm sure you could use as a backup, something is better than nothing!

As a related story, on my old boat, I had no CO Detectors, but no generator, and never slept on the hook anyway, but I did want a CO detector. So I decided to buy a home CO detector. The one I purchased had a display that would show a number that went up to show how strong the CO was in the area.

I was always amazed by this detector with the meter on its face. Even though it was mounted inside of my boat but near the sleeping area of my 27 ft boat, every time another boat passed within 5 feet of my boat (my dock was right next to a channel), I could see the CO measurement go up! I never could smell exhaust fumes with my nose, but the detector found CO in my sleeping area! It was that sensitive! The alarm never sounded as the readings were never high enough, and the would go back down after several minutes, but it was an 'eye-opener'!
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Thu May 31, 2018 3:54 pm

Always have a working CO detector if you are sleeping in there even without any generators. All it takes is someone by you with a generator running and that to blow in your windows. That is why there are small "P-traps" in the sinks to prevent CO from coming into the cabin via the drains. They just want to hold a little water in there to slow it down. Also you can very easy get the station wagon effect if you have anything open and are driving around, the CO from your engines can make it back into your cabin.
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby gofast24 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:05 am

Agree, even though we didn't have our Gen running late in the PM last Saturday we were hooked up with about 8 other boats on the lake planning on staying on the hook overnight, two of the boats next to me had their gens running and when 2 of our 3 CO detectors sounded an alarm it was time to un tie and go back to our slip.
Moral of the story = even if you dont have your gen running it is possible to be exposed to CO if near or next to other vessels that have their gen set running! Worse yet is that some of the smaller boats tied up with us without gen sets start and run their propulsion engines to recharge their starting/house batteries! Best thing is to just untie and go somewhere else or back to the slip!
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Re: fireboy CO end of life date

Postby rodegaard » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:53 am

A note on these: I've learned that they've been discontinued and that Fireboy has a new model. Makes me wonder...

I have a 2016 28 Express and both of mine started beeping for no apparent reason this year. They're only 2 years old. (by the date stamps on them)

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