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Postby tonysmith1945 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:52 am

What europeion 4x4 suv can I tow a regal 2565 with a twin axel trailer.
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Re: English vehicle

Postby mlines » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:23 am

The dry weight of the Regal 2565 is listed as 2700kg

My twin axle trailer is 700kg

This is 3,400kg without fuel, fluids and luggage.

The maximum towing on a standard licence in the UK is 3,500kg. You are going to be right on the limit for a standard licence

A Range Rover or Discovery can tow to this limit, 3500kg.

I tow my Regal 2250 using a Range Rover, the all up weight of my boat and trailer is 2960kg, Whilst the Range Rover tows it well you certainly know the boat is on board!

You can tow more with the correct licence and vehicle (usually fitted with tachograph etc for commercial towing)
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Re: English vehicle

Postby tonysmith1945 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:03 am

Many thanks for your reply it was very helpful.
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Re: English vehicle

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:18 pm

You guys have some strange towing rules there huh? I can tow my 35SC without any issues, the only thing I need is an over-width permit, which you can purchase a 90 days at a time here in Texas and that allows you to drive on any road anytime during that time. Now going across state lines is a bit more tricky as you need the permits over 8'6" wide in each state and some of rules that differ depending on the route.
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Re: English vehicle

Postby mlines » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:59 am

Chris,

I guess from our point of view the opposite is true, it seems a little strange that with no training you can tow an enormous rig that would be classified as a heavy goods vehicle in the UK and most of Europe.

Younger drivers in the UK have it even worse. The more recent licences are more restricted which rules out most boat/car combinations without a further trailer test. i have an older licence that allows me to tow a trailer up to 3500kgs with a vehicle up to 3500kgs = 7000kgs gross. Above this it falls into the commercial or heavy goods vehicle category and you need further training and certificates. The rules for the vehicle also change as it then needs a tachograph etc for driver recording purposes.

You will also see conversations about "rating plates" as all modern trailers have to be plated with their specifications and limits. This is to cut down on home made contraptions, usually built from old caravan chassis. One rule in particular affects those of us with American sportsboats, leisure trailers have to have fully mechanical brakes with a fully mechanical emergency brake. This means we cannot have any electrical or hydraulic system, including disc brakes. Therefore in theory we have to throw away most american trailers on importing.

There are some strange exceptions to these rules, I can jump in and drive a huge motorhome (rv) with no licence upgrade and also a horse transporter. The latter means you see the tiniest of young girls peering over the steering wheel of the hugest lorry full of horses and you know that they have done no training on the vehicle.

In boating itself we have freedoms that some countries find strange however. In the UK there is no licence or certifcation required for any standard leisure boat. I can buy the most unreliable home made craft with a huge engine from ebay and sail off into the sunset. I do not need to register the craft and i do not need any form of insurance. We can also use red diesel in the engines which upsets most of Europe,

For anyone reading from the UK just a reminder that at the start of the season last year there was a bit of a towing blitz by the police on the M25 checking that you were towing within the rules and that breakaway cables were correctly fitted and used, so be aware for this season.
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Re: English vehicle

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:15 am

Wow you can't have hydraulic brake systems or disc units. Those are so much better. I assume most cars sold there use hydraulic disc brakes, as that's one of the best technologies out there for braking systems. On the bigger trailers we have electric over hydraulic with disc brakes on each axle. You can manually lock the brakes from the cab if you want. There are a few states here that have in there laws that you have to have a manual method to activate the brakes on trailers, and that method will allow that. Some people that have surge brakes only on the trailers don't qualify, however because each state is different I am not sure how that works totally, as most small trailers wouldn't have a bigger system on them. What do you have to use for brakes then drum units?
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Re: English vehicle

Postby mlines » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:05 pm

Chris

All cars (except classics) have fully hydraulic disc brakes, certainly on the front (drums are still common on the rear).

The UK law currently says the trailer brakes have to be completely mechanical so they are drum brakes fed from the mechanical movement of the hitch along with a breakaway cable. The breakaway cable is a steel cable attached to the trailer brakes and the rear of the towing car so if the trailer separates from the car the cable pulls the brakes on on the trailer.

The stupid problem is that mechanical drum brake systems do not survive dipping in the sea. I know that if I was to park my trailer using the handbrake (e-brake) after dipping in the sea it would corrode on and we would be stuck, this happens in a matter of hours.

Because of this I would bet that most UK boat trailers have the brakes actually disconnected. So a law designed to guard against the failure of hydraulic or electric systems actually results in less safety as the brakes are often disabled. There is no testing of trailers so providing you are not caught with disconnected brakes there is no check on the state of any trailers. I have mine serviced annual at a trailer specialist and each year they have to rebuild the brake system!

None of this applies to commercial/goods trailers as they have pneumatic vacuum brakes like lorries.
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Re: English vehicle

Postby PowerOfTwo » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:16 pm

Chris what are you towing your 35sc with? I didn't thing I'd be able to tow 16,000 without a semi...
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Re: English vehicle

Postby Mischief Managed » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:26 pm

PowerOfTwo wrote:Chris what are you towing your 35sc with? I didn't thing I'd be able to tow 16,000 without a semi...


Some of the current American "1 Ton" diesel pickup trucks are rated to tow over 35,000 lbs. The Ram 3500 is rated to put the weight of my boat and trailer (just under 7400 lbs) in the bed of the truck...
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Re: English vehicle

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:07 pm

It would be my F350. I don't have a trailer for her yet, however that is how it came down to Texas is with a 1 ton truck. There were a few small towns in Oklahoma that he needed an escort so he had to wait outside town until they met him at the city limits. He said it was a sheriff's deputy that did it on each occasion.
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