2000ESX on a Venture trailer

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2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:52 am

I need some information please.....
Does anyone here have a 2000 ES or ESX on a VENTURE trailer?
What model is the trailer ?
How long is your trailer overall?
Thanks in advance for any help
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:55 am

My dealer sells the 2000esx on a venture VATB-4225. You go look up the specs on ventures site or contact them for more info.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:36 am

cbsmith wrote:My dealer sells the 2000esx on a venture VATB-4225. You go look up the specs on ventures site or contact them for more info.

thanks for the reply. I did go look up the specs and I agree, 4225 would be a minimum, my dealer however, chose to put a 3525 with a second axle. The capacity appears to be sufficient,although it is not labeled as such, the length of this trailer is only 22', which is why I'm asking questions. I believe the trailer is too short.....
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:44 pm

The 3525 isn't spec'd heavy enough I don't believe for a 2000ES.

Most of the time trailer "load capacities" are inclusive of the weight of the trailer, not the load of the boat alone. So the 3525 would have a GVWR of 3525. If you take out say 1K for the trailer weight you are way over weight. Quick trip to the scale would show you that. Even if its not inclusive you are still over. Check the sidewalls of the tires and rims to see what they are rated for, that is something that really gets overlooked.

The 2000ES dry weight is 3400 lbs. You put 40 gallons of fuel in @6lbs gallon that is another 240 lbs just there so now you are at 3640 lbs with NOTHING else in the boat, no canvas, life jackets, tow ropes, anchors, beer etc. Check the sticker on the trailer to verify the GVWR, and don't accept anything less than safe rating for boat that is on there. You are ultimately liable if something bad happens and someone gets hurt and the trailer was overloaded. The dealers have a way of using the cheapest thing to get by with. :?

From a length standpoint, the transom should be supported on the bunks. If the transom is hanging over and not supported then the trailer is too short. If the bow stop can move slightly forward enough to not hit the tow vehicle then you are ok if you can get that transom supported.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:19 pm

That trailer is too small for a 2000es both in weight and length. You would want the 4225 at the minimum. If you are towing long distances you probably should go up to the size above that.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:57 pm

cbsmith wrote:That trailer is too small for a 2000es both in weight and length. You would want the 4225 at the minimum. If you are towing long distances you probably should go up to the size above that.

Now , if I could just get Venture and my dealer to say that, I'd be in great shape!
I believe my dealer is in Venture's pocket and vice versa......
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:09 pm

Take it to a certified scale and show them its over weight with the GVWR on the sticker and the overage from the the scale receipt. If you find one that isn't busy, simply chock the whole trailer on the scale and drive off it so the only thing is on there is that. Then make them sign a paper that they are liable if you get stopped by weight enforcement or get in an accident because your are towing illegally. The dealer specs the trailer, not Venture, they just build what is ordered.

What is the GVWR on it from the sticker?
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:23 pm

3525lbs
Can't figure out how to upload my pic.....
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:06 pm

That is flat out illegal to tow the 2000ES with. Like I mentioned the dry weight is 3400 lbs, then fuel you are already over weight (3640) before any cargo is added or options to the boat. Not sure what the "base" model engine is vs any larger option engine, the dry weight includes only the base engine in that number. Also that 3525 includes the weight of the trailer itself. Send off a nice email to Venture and ask how much that would weigh in your configuration, I bet somewhere from 800-1000 lbs. :shock: So that (800-1000) would be subtracted from the GVWR of 3525 to show how much the boat can weigh. So lets even error on the light side and say for round numbers the trailer weighs in at 525lbs that would give you a max boat weight of 3000lbs.

Then I would go to a scale and find the true weight of the boat and trailer and take that back to the dealer and ask them how are they going to fix this problem. ;) Absolutely hate boat dealers that pull this crap. Always oversize the trailer. It may cost another $500-1K more but in the long run you never would have to worry about it and in the overall cost of the boat its not that much more.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:16 pm

Venture rates there trailers as load carrying capacity so the 3525 can carry 3525lbs of boat, but that still isn’t enough for the 2000esx.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:15 pm

Hey CB, according to Skieverything the GVWR on the sticker is 3525. If that's true then that number is inclusive of the weight of the trailer as well, which has to be subtracted back out of the amount left for the boat weight. I don't know I am just going off what he said and that typically most trailer manufactures list carrying capacity as the GVWR. If venture does different that really bucks the trend then. When I was looking at triple axle trailers if you looked at an 18K trailer that was a total of 18K and not boat weight of 18K, as that would be another 2K or more which would mean that they couldn't use the standard 6K axles.

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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:14 am

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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:58 am

The gvwr of the trailer is 4265lbs with a cargo capacity of 3525.

I have a Venture trailer under my boat and went through the same thing when buying it. Venture is one of the few manufacturers that list cargo capacity and not gvwr in their specs.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:35 am

cbsmith wrote:The gvwr of the trailer is 4265lbs with a cargo capacity of 3525.

I have a Venture trailer under my boat and went through the same thing when buying it. Venture is one of the few manufacturers that list cargo capacity and not gvwr in their specs.


yes ,I agree. That's my point! It clearly states "cargo not to exceed 3525lbs"
WRONG TRAILER!!

Cb, I see you have a 1900??? What model is under it? If you don't mind me asking.....
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:16 am

Mine is steel, the VBT-3600. They wanted to pair it with a 3300lb single axle but it would be over weight with fuel and gear.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:58 am

cbsmith wrote:Mine is steel, the VBT-3600. They wanted to pair it with a 3300lb single axle but it would be over weight with fuel and gear.

at least its rated for several hundred lbs more than the boats dry weight!!
How long is that trailer overall?? If you don't mind.....
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby cbsmith » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:22 pm

I don’t know the total length of the trailer but from the hitch to the back of the boat is about 25.5’. I would guess the trailer is probably about 23’ to the back of the bunks. My bunks extend about 6” past the transom of the boat and the swim platform/drive extends about 1.5’ past the bunks.
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:24 am

cbsmith wrote:I don’t know the total length of the trailer but from the hitch to the back of the boat is about 25.5’. I would guess the trailer is probably about 23’ to the back of the bunks. My bunks extend about 6” past the transom of the boat and the swim platform/drive extends about 1.5’ past the bunks.

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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:04 am

Just dropping in to see if anyone had anymore insight
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Re: 2000ESX on a Venture trailer

Postby Skieverything » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:43 am

UPDATE:
After countless emails and phone calls,Venture agreed to modify my trailer to meet my requirements.
The trailer is now the length that I believe it should have been to start with!
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