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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby JNelson90 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:16 am

That price seems very good - only concern is the ability to connect 2 engines as each would need a different node identification number. Let me know how you make out as I spent quite a bit more to get 3 Maretron devices (1 for each engine) and one to interface a laptop so I could configure the node identificaiton number for each engine (also allows for troubleshooting the network).
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:23 am

I read the manual and it appears to have a method to set the id for twin engines when installing two of these devices.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:24 am

ImRich wrote:I read the manual and it appears to have a method to set the id for twin engines when installing two of these devices.


Rich do you think the YachtTD is not compatable with your engine?
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:55 am

I'm not sure. I would need to get an MEFI-4 connector and break out the Can bus.

My guess is that the J1939 is the same that is coming out of my MEFI-4 connector on my ECM.

The YachtTD unit has some warnings about not trying it with older NEMA2000 MFDs, so I also have that issue (even though my C80 has software that seems to display some engine data). It also doesn't talk about any of the MEFI ECMs, so I'd probably be an experiment to find out.

Considering that I would need two of these, it's a lot of money to risk gain the connectivity.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:38 pm

Rich for sure 2005s are NOT EVC based engines and that is what the Yacht Devices want. They require the EVC-C and greater engines, which in 2010-2011 the EVC-Ds made the appearance. I am not sure they had gas engines with EVC-C based system, only the IPS systems were EVC-C based. They would have that same connection on the back of the tach and the tachs would be digital and not analog inputs.

If it would work that would be great, as its much cheaper than the VP version. The engines are hardcoded when they are installed to the specific engine ID's as they are all bridged together in the EVC based system. You would only need one of them as its a single CAN network though the boat on a new system.

On the older J1939 engines which you should have, I would think that 99% chance that they are completely separate and not linked together, as there wasn't a reason.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:59 pm

Chris_in_Texas wrote:Rich for sure 2005s are NOT EVC based engines and that is what the Yacht Devices want. They require the EVC-C and greater engines, which in 2010-2011 the EVC-Ds made the appearance. I am not sure they had gas engines with EVC-C based system, only the IPS systems were EVC-C based. They would have that same connection on the back of the tach and the tachs would be digital and not analog inputs.

If it would work that would be great, as its much cheaper than the VP version. The engines are hardcoded when they are installed to the specific engine ID's as they are all bridged together in the EVC based system. You would only need one of them as its a single CAN network though the boat on a new system.

On the older J1939 engines which you should have, I would think that 99% chance that they are completely separate and not linked together, as there wasn't a reason.


I have a 3760 2008 VP8.1 GI DPSA mechanical gauges and Mechanical shifters. Wonder if the Yacht Device is compatible with my setup?
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:02 pm

The engines have to have the "E" in the part number for EVC based. I am not sure but believe that the cat based engines happened at the same time, so by default then they would have the "CE" in the part number. The C is for catalyst and the E is for EVC.

It would need to have the tachs that connect via the 6 pin connector connecting to it.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:08 am

My engines are Volvo 8.1 GI-E (not GIE, but for sure GI-E) 2004 or 2005 vintage as the boat is a 2005 model year Regal 3560.

I have analog tachometers and MEFI-4 ECMs.

I don't see any evidence of the two engines tied together, as there doesn't appear to be a common bus between them that I have found yet. All the gauges on the dash are analog type Faria brand.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:31 pm

Yes the letters after the dash are the revision of the engine.
Here is the excerpt from VP:

Red Engines, current

Beginning in 2000 the gas engines are painted red again. The naming system was also changed. The first part of the name is the same as the charcoal engines, up to the letters for the fuel system.


The two numbers are the displacement.
Next is a letter that indicates who made the base engine. New engines have been added that use Volvo Penta's new Ocean Series sterndrives, these engines have an OS for this letter.
After that, one or two letters that note the fuel system and/or output.
For 3.0L only, there is an M or P for the steering
For Inboard engines only, there is an I after the lower case i.
Then a dash (-) followed by a one or two letter suffix. This is the major change from the charcoal engines above.
The first letter is the version control, this is present on all current engines. -A is the first version, -B is the second version, etc. There is no link between the suffix and production years. All engines with -A were not built the same year. A 5.7GXi-B and a 5.0GXi-B are not similar. A 4.3GL-D is newer than and different from a 4.3GL-C.
The second letter, if present is always an F, it notes that the engine is freshwater cooled.
Examples: 3.0GLM-C, 4.3GXi-DF, 5.0OSi-E, 8.1GXiI-B

Then the newer models from MY2007 started including the C and or E in the beginning part number: ie 5.7GiCE which indicated the C = Catalyst and E for EVC The are also still followed by the -X as well like above -A, -B etc. Then they switched in 2010-11 sometime to the newer V8-300-CE going by HP instead of GM Fuel injected based model numbers. That is where we still are today.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:24 am

Thanks! Nice to have another option!

If I could somehow use one of these interfaces instead of two, I'd do this in a heartbeat. But at this point I'm considering it for next year, the major thing I'd like to be able to monitor is GPH to help me manage fuel consumption.

Shouldn't the CAN bus (J1939) be available on the MEFI-4 connector? After all, the engine diagnostic computers connect here. Or maybe this is the MEFI-4 connector? I see reference to J2-10 as the Serial data for connection to an ECM scan tool.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:52 pm

I have a 2008 3760 Boat (with Volvo Penta engines listed as 2007 8.1 GI-H). We purchased a new Garmin 7612 with a J1939 Input.

I am hopeful that as Volvo states, in the below email the engine data will show up on our Garmin. Seems awfully optimistic at this point since so many have tried to connect their motor directly from the Volvo (Non EVC) engines to a GPS.

I think anyone that has been successful required some sort of Gateway e.g., Maretron.




Dear Rich

Volvo has a Master Slave Connector to connect both engines and run to the Garmin J1939 input. I suppose the big question is...will the Garmin 7612 read the info from the J1939 output of the engines Mater Slave Connection?

Harness 3842398 connects the two engines. This harness will not run up to the helm.

As stated before, Pins 13 and 14 are CAN High and CAN Low, which broadcasts the J1939 protocol.

The pins 13 and 14 are found in cable harness 3887229. This is a 30ft cable(14 pin) that connects the engine to the helm.

Volvo does not have a harness that hooks directly to a Garmin panel. The pins 13 and 14 are what carries the information – customer will have to come up with adapter to hook to Garmin.

Attached to this email is a technical drawing of 3887229 – this will give you the color of the wires of pins 13 & 14.


Your 2007 8.1 has a 14-pin connector on the engine harness.
Pins 13 and 14 are CAN High and CAN Low, which broadcasts the J1939 protocol.

Volvo Penta does offer a master slave connector to have both engines data being provided.
Please contact your preferred Volvo Penta dealer in order to have further support.


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Telefax: 757-436-5150
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby ImRich » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:17 am

It sounds like you are closer than those of us with the older engines.

Would you please post a photo or scan of the drawing they mention in the letter?
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:20 pm

ImRich wrote:It sounds like you are closer than those of us with the older engines.

Would you please post a photo or scan of the drawing they mention in the letter?



Their drawings isn't very helpful I don't think...I cant seem to get it to upload to the Regal Owners site. I can email to you if you give send me your email address.

Garmin/Volvo states that I will need to take the 14Pin VP Cable and add a Nema 5Pin Male Cable end to it. Then connect either directly to the GPS or according to Garmin I will need to connect the Nema cable to a separate J1939 T, with a power source (similar to a Nema 2000 BackBone) and then connect the backbone to the GPS J1939 input.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby aviator1 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:30 pm

I see the way your doing it, just FYI Garmin sells a J1939 cable.
I am curious if the way your doing it, you will have to program your Chart plotter to interpret the data labels or will the Chart plotter recognize what they are and display them?
I went with the maretron solution and I am VERY happy with how it turned out. It was all plug and play and when I powered everything up, my chart plotter recognized the engine make and model and custom tailored the fields and display based on this exact engine.
I have since sold this boat and my new boat is the Gen 5 Volvo but it is still J1939, I believe it will be plug and play on the new engine as well.
As long as you identify your Can-L and Can-H wiring, that's the most important.

Are you tapping into the Deuitsh connector or the flat one?
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:00 pm

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I don't think anyone knows if the Garmin will actually display the Engine Data, it is supposed to according to Garmin and Volvo but no promises. I suppose worst case I will have to add a Maretron device.

You also asked if we are connecting to the Duetsch connectors. I thought so until Volvo said we they will be providing us with a 14 Pin Connector to tie the two motors together, they call it a Master Slave Connector, then they have a 30' harness to connect to the Master Slave and run to the Dash.

I asked for a Spec Sheet from VP and tried to goggle the VP Part numbers. No dice, will have to wait and see what I get I suppose.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby aviator1 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:12 pm

I hope it works but not sure how this harness will determine the position and the slave and master relationship on the engines but they are the experts. The chartplotter will get j1939 data and it only has one j1939 input ports...just curious how the split in data will occur.
I can tell you on the maretron box, you get to designate the slave and master by indicating the position of the engine.
Just as a side note, get from Volvo specifics and in writing the can low and can high. Something goes haywire, you really don't want to be blazing a path solo specially if your engines are under some sort of warranty. I am almost certain volvo will be vague on the subject!
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:20 pm

Few things here. You will need J1939 to N2K adapters, two of them. This will convert the J1939 PGNs into N2K PGNs with the correct formatting and values as well as the correct ID's needed for N2K. While they are both CAN buses they are different. That is like connecting USB to a RS232 serial port. They are both serial communications but different protocols. Also I sure Aviator will chime in here, but I am not sure what extra programming will be needed in the adapters or if they will auto program themselves.

The two wires from the 14 pin J1939 connection would be taken to the adapters which those adapters then connect to the N2K backbone BUS installed in the boat.

As an example my EVC system has a converter that will take the EVC data from both engines that are floating on the EVC data CAN bus and convert it to the correctly formatted N2K messages, that then plugs in via drop cable to the N2K backbone. In this example there is already the EVC bus coming from both engines ECU's to the joystick, steering wheel, multifunction VP gauges as well as all the existing analog gauges that take their part off the bus to display things. There is a 6 way bus connector to plug the N2K adapter into and then the 5 pin N2K plug for the drop cable on the interface box. The J1939 data will be the same type of adapters. Your chart plotter is NOT J1939 compliant, only N2K.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby JNelson90 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:06 am

I did hook up my older 2006 Volvo Penta engines to my Raymarine MFDs using the Maretron devices. I had to get three Mareatron devices; one for each engine and one so I could connect a computer and reprogram one for a different node number so my MFDs would be able isolate the engine data between each engine. That 3rd Maretron device also gives me visibility to my NEMA2K bus for troubleshooting so I guess it wasn't a total waste of money. I got the specific wire numbers from Volvo Penta and directly wired to each engine harness. I am very happy having the engine data and love the fuel economy information.

Here is my network map for my navigation system - I highlighted the 3 Maretron devices. Hope this doesn't add any confusion and good luck with your integration.
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby rlynch03 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:23 pm

Thanks. We hope to not need the Maretron Gateways but if need be then we will.

We ordered the Garmin 7612 with the J1939 input so again we are hopeful our VP Engines send a J1939 signal through the VP Master Slave Connector that the Garmin can decipher. We will (as i am told by Garmin) need to create a powered backbone (separate from the NEMA 2000) for the J1939 network to connect the one VP Cable with the CAN Low and CAN High tied into each of the two 5 pin NEMA connectors (CAN Low and CAN High) T'd off to the Garmin J1939 input.

As soon as the weather starts to warm up I will be starting this project along with a few others.

Cant wait for Spring...
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Re: Volvo Penta hooked up to Garmin Chartplotter-J1939 NEMA2

Postby Chris_in_Texas » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:37 pm

Huh thats new, I didn't know that they made a chartplotter with the J1939 interface. ;) They do mention that you can only connect a single engine to the MFD, so I guess you could plug in the other via the N2K adapter to get both, as only having a single engine in a twin setup doesn't help too much.
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